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Rui Bordalo
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« on: December 18, 2007, 08:38:21 AM »

Dear Members,

As you should know e_conservation magazine has a new section dedicated to Conservators' organizations from around the world. Its objective is to inform readers about theirs, and each country’s organization. This is mainly because we know professional organizations are very important and is also important that we learn about them. We do know many of them but our knowledge is limited. Therefore, we would like to hear from conservators from different countries about their associations of conservators and other similar organizations if there exist. We are currently looking to hear about countries such as Russia, Japan, Greece, China and South Africa, but not only. If you know in your country exist more then one association or other small associations, give us some hints.
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 01:45:52 PM »

Well, my country is not in the list, but I decided to add our organization to the list.
It is called Association of the Conservators in Bulgaria. It was found in 2003 and at the moment has about 50 members. Hopefully we will have our website published soon.
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 05:31:02 PM »

Hello!

Every country, except mine Wink, is on the list because I was just giving some examples.
To be honest I did not know about your association in Bulgaria, I'm very glad you mentioned it. I hope your website will be soon online. Don't forget to give us the link. In a near future our organization section will reach also Bulgaria and we will want to contact your association.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 05:08:19 PM »

Hello, my name is Comba and I´ve been working in Portugal and Spain, two really diferent countries, and really simillar too. The situation in Portugal you already know, there is the Associação de Conservadores-Restauradores de Portugal, but in Spain is a total chaos. As we have 17 different Autonomías, (kind of States, or Departments, with different cultures, economies, government, and laws) each one of them has its own Association... In Galicia we have Arcobéns, but for example in Catalunya there are two of them, and maybe in other comunities too. It has been an attempt of making a Spanish Association, but it was impossible to get an agreement... (this happened some years ago, we have different problems now...) There isn´t a great comunication among all regional groups... As you can see, it´s a really sad situation, so we can´t improve the professional situation of the Restorers as they do, for example, in Portugal
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2008, 01:05:18 PM »

Welcome to the forum Comba!

I am glad you are opening this interesting subject.
Indeed the reality between Portugal and Spain couldn’t be more different. I’m not sure about how exactly it works in Spain but if they are trying to unite in one single association then maybe their actual system is not the most adequate. Anyway, what each association is able to accomplish is what it really matters. If they could make it at national level better, but start at regional level is already very good.
I am curious, in a country with so many associations, can anyone be a member of any association they choose? Can someone be a member of more than one association?
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 12:40:27 PM »

Hello!
Our web-side is finally online. It could be reached at http://www.arbbg.org There is a choice between Bulgarian and English at the top right (under the header).
The first issue of our Newsletter (also in Bulgarian and English) could be downoaded from the site :)
Greetings,
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 03:20:15 PM »

Hello Krassy and thank you for the news!

Congratulations for the website, it seams very nice and the language option is a good implementation. Maybe now would be a good opportunity to start the collaboration between us and the association if you wish to present it for the “organizations” section of e_conservation magazine?  :)
Congratulations also for the newsletter, the content is very interesting and the design looks also great! Wink How many issues are you planning to publish per year? I think having a newsletter is a very good idea as many of the associations are publishing in paper... but like this anyone will be able to access it.

Thanks again for keeping us posted!

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 04:51:09 AM »

Hello Teodora,
Thank you for the nice words. I would love to present our organization and will do my best to fit in the deadlines.
For the moment we have planned a second issue which should (hopefully) be ready by the end of May. I also hope we would be able to post a third issue by the end of the year.
Greetings,
Krassy
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 06:20:07 PM »

Hello!
I am glad to know about your availability and interest. We should arrange further details by email.
By the way, is there any way to subscribe the newsletter? Or perhaps you can keep us updated posting on this forum each time a new issue is online.

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Teodora
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2008, 05:53:40 PM »

I have been working in Greece and abroad for the past five-six years and i consider my self well connected concerning conservation circles in Greece, most of which are concentrated in Athens, but not all. As far as i am aware (and i hope mistakenly) the only conservators organisation in Greece is the IIC section (i just checked their website in order to post it but he one i have is expired) which is quite autonomous from the British one. Yet they are far off the deadlines concerning the production of a newsletter (1 every two years or so...) and generally not active in comparison to other iic chapters.

There is also an assosiation for for the Conservation Teachers in Greece. yet they do not have a website, and i am not a member to provide further information on this.

We also have the Addressing for Conservation Issues of the Ministry of culture (Διεύθυνση Συντήρησης του Υπ.Πο, http://www.yppo.gr/1/g1540.jsp?obj_id=2594#, sadly the english link is not working currently), but that is more of an administrative unit, rather than an association.

Now furthermore there are chapters of ICOMOS and ICOM and a rather active Museologist association but that is restricted to museum studies MA diploma holders and not conservators.

This is the situation i can describe in Greece, from my point of view and information resources.

Please do not hesitate to ask any questions on the matter,

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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 01:38:14 PM »

In Greece there also are:

1) a mailing list for conservators that have graduated from a university or TEI (greek technical educational insitution) institution. The e-mail address is s_saet@yahoo.gr and the mail address is ΣΥΛΛΟΓΟΣ ΣΥΝΤΗΡΗΤΩΝ ΑΡΧΑΙΟΤΗΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΕΡΓΩΝ ΤΕΧΝΗΣ ΤΡΙΤΟΒΑΘΜΙΑΣ ΕΚΠΑΙΔΕΥΣΗΣ, PO Box 4085, Athens 102 10. Phone number (+30) 2103234749.

2) There also is the http://www.syntirisi.gr/ which is the internet site for conservators who have graduated from vocational training centres. The postal address is ΠΑΝΕΛΛΗΝΙΟΣ ΣΥΛΛΟΓΟΣ ΑΠΟΦΟΙΤΩΝ ΣΥΝΤΗΡΗΤΩΝ ΕΡΓΩΝ ΤΕΧΝΗΣ & ΕΡΓΩΝ ΖΩΓΡΑΦΙΚΗΣ Ι.Ε.Κ. PO Box 34 233, Athens 100 29





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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2008, 05:02:21 PM »

Aristotelis,
Thank you for your feedback. I really thought there was some association of professional conservators, pity there isn’t. In any case, it is the first time I hear of an association of Conservation teachers, which is very interesting. Are there in Greece so many teachers (and schools) as to make their own association?
Concerning the IIC, each national association it’s kind of independent so I guess it is normal if some are more active and others aren’t.


Evangelia,
Welcome to the forum and thank you for the info. I am not quite sure of what vocational training centers are in Greece. At what academic level are those centers? I tried to check the website you provided but I couldn’t find any English version.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2008, 04:37:16 PM »

I have to apologise, Whet i mention of 'Conservation Teacher's Assosiation' and Evagelia mentioned as 'conservators that have graduated from a university or TEI' is the same thing. Only i mistakenly translated the greek work for training as to train(teacher) and not been trained(graduated) . What Evagelia wrote is actualy the correct.


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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2008, 12:37:22 PM »

What I ment by vocational centres in Greece are the so-called IEK (Ινστιτούτο Επαγγελματικής Κατάρτισης) - the exact translation from greek is Institute of Professional Education. There are two kinds of IEK, private ones and state ones. The training lasts two years, divided into two semesters per year. High school graduates may enrol into the IEK and after passing several exams periods, they are asked to give some more exams, state ones this time, after which they get the certificate of 'conservation technician'. There usually are two kinds of IEK, 'conservation technician of works of art' and 'conservation technician of paintings'.

Apart from the IEK, there also are the so called KEK (Κέντρο Επαγγελματικής Κατάρτισης) - Centre of Professional Training. These are seminars for unemployed people that last a few months. Unemployed people are actually paid to attend these seminars, in an attempt of the greek state to provide some professional training as well as a symbolic financial assistance to unemployed people. The Natural History Museum of the Lesvos Petrified Forest has its own KEK, training unemployed people on the conservation of fossilised trees. Until now, the KEK of the Natural History Museum has organised five 400-hours seminars, which included both theory and practice. At the moment, four of the people who attended the last KEK work for the conservation department of the Natural History Museum of the Lesvos Petrified Forest.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2008, 03:58:12 PM »

It is a curious system, but somehow familiar. I wasn't aware of how the system works in Greece. It is a good information for the education section. For sure we will dedicate a number to Greece in a future number.
Just by curiosity, do these technicians find a place in the market easily?
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